The Good Doctor Posted June 12 Author Share Posted June 12 1 minute ago, ColonelKillaBee said: Fallout at least has a good tv show and a decent game. Yep, hard disagree on that. That shitty TV show is exactly what I’m talking about with regards to New Vegas. When I play that game, it’s not with the assumption that it’s all gonna just get destroyed immediately after the credits roll. The TV show ain’t canon to my playthrough. Same with watching Star Wars. I don’t watch Anakin save his son and soul at the end of the OT with the assumption in mind that he will eventually become a loser who gets everyone killed. Or watch the gritty and thoughtful Andor and wonder what cartoon goofballs like Ahsoka are up to in the meantime. Like I said, I don’t blame you for not being able to divorce the two. That’s just how I do it. Quote * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted June 12 Author Share Posted June 12 4 minutes ago, ColonelKillaBee said: You'd be wrong xD Granted I've not played it either but I've seen enough of it to know its pretty sub par, also. Theres a reason they have like 7000 players online on steam lol. I doubt it. Fallout 4 might have the worst gun list of any RPG I’ve played, and what little I’ve seen of Starfield, while unimpressive, at least gets some basic shit right, like the left/right handed thing. As for factions, you’ll have to really do some convincing to make me believe SF’s are worse than the Institute, Railroad, or Minutemen. Sub par is a compliment to them. Quote * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 (edited) I can agree to disagree with the show being enjoyable to you, thats not something that can be argued, and I understand why you don't like it but objectively speaking I dont know how anyone can argue its not entertaining. Star Wars movies didnt just butcher the old characters and lore, they also had just really bad new elements added and made no sense, was a complete story telling mess and was full of inconsistencies, mary sueism, feminism etc etc etc. Whatever you think of the show for the lore and all that I dont think anyone can say its as bad as anything star wars has put out in theaters. edit: Recently Edited June 12 by ColonelKillaBee Quote "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 2 minutes ago, The Good Doctor said: I doubt it. Fallout 4 might have the worst gun list of any RPG I’ve played, and what little I’ve seen of Starfield, while unimpressive, at least gets some basic shit right, like the left/right handed thing. Quote "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 1 minute ago, The Good Doctor said: As for factions, you’ll have to really do some convincing to make me believe SF’s are worse than the Institute, Railroad, or Minutemen. Sub par is a compliment to them. As for factions, dude i couldnt even tell you because nothing about any of it even seemed noteworthy, and thats worse than being bad. They're bland. Quote "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted June 12 Author Share Posted June 12 1 minute ago, ColonelKillaBee said: but objectively speaking I dont know how anyone can argue its not entertaining Entertainment is inherently subjective. I find shitty Star Wars far more entertaining than the Fallout show because watching and laughing at Disney’s train crash is much more enjoyable to me than watching my favorite game series get ruined. 3 minutes ago, ColonelKillaBee said: Whatever you think of the show for the lore and all that I dont think anyone can say its as bad as anything star wars has put out in theaters. I’d put them on the same tier, but with Star Wars hitting lower lows because of all the classic characters it’s ruined vs Fallout so far only hitting House and Sinclair. But they don’t need to be equally bad, or to have been bad for equally long, for me to make my point: which is just that I can happily ignore the shitty stuff when enjoying the good stuff. Quote * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted June 12 Author Share Posted June 12 8 minutes ago, ColonelKillaBee said: I don’t have an hour, but just scrolling through that video I saw some better guns than in Fallout 4. Still, I’ll take your word for it as I am not here to defend Starfield. I’d just say that FO4 already laid the bar on the floor, so I would be surprised if it’s actually lower. Quote * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 I can as well or else I couldnt enjoy eso lmao or halo, etc. To me tho Im in the same boat as gina, it all was made too silly for me to take much of it seriously anymore, because its been so bad for so long, as soon as I hear star wars I roll my eyes. Hell Halo is almost there for me too if the good wasnt so so damn good and it didnt make my childhood. Quote "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 3 minutes ago, The Good Doctor said: I don’t have an hour, but just scrolling through that video I saw some better guns than in Fallout 4. Still, I’ll take your word for it as I am not here to defend Starfield. I’d just say that FO4 already laid the bar on the floor, so I would be surprised if it’s actually lower. Take your time, you dont gotta watch through the whole video but imo they have like two on this list that are actually decent, and the rest are so retarded I cant even give it a chance. Theyre clearly made by people who have never shot a gun. At the very least with fallout, the entire unfired bullet doesnt come flying in your face from a pump action shotgun when opened, and the shells dont look like rifle rounds xD Their pump action literally shoots two rifle rounds, bullets, not shells. 1 Quote "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted June 12 Author Share Posted June 12 Just now, ColonelKillaBee said: To me tho Im in the same boat as gina, it all was made too silly for me to take much of it seriously anymore, because its been so bad for so long, as soon as I hear star wars I roll my eyes. Sure, like I said from the start, I can’t blame you for that. I am only speaking for myself here. I put Fallout in the exact same box as Star Wars. Franchises that, when taken as a whole, are clownishly shit, but used to be good and every now and then produce a nugget of gold. I don’t mind taking those nuggets and enjoying them for what they are while ignoring all the trash around them. Quote * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted June 12 Author Share Posted June 12 2 minutes ago, ColonelKillaBee said: Theyre clearly made by people who have never shot a gun. It’s Bethesda, I already figured that. 1 Quote * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 I bet Todd has fired a gun, and he does so hunting FNV fans for his dinner. 1 Quote "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted June 12 Author Share Posted June 12 1 minute ago, ColonelKillaBee said: I bet Todd has fired a gun, and he does so hunting FNV fans for his dinner. As of Todd needs a gun to fuck us up. Quote * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossBalrog Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 I mean; I enjoyed Fallout 4 (for the first 150 hour playthrough) as a post apocalypse theme park; though it was like junk-food. It's zanny fun. The problem is, if you ask most Fallout fans, "more guns, better factions in a setting that already makes no logical sense" (Bethesda Fallout) doesn't seem to be a huge priority. And I think your being spoiled alot by Mods Colonel; because the guns in vanilla Fallout 4 are pretty...weird looking. It'd probably be the lowest tier of "gun-porn", if it's considered that at all. "MUCH better guns, much better factions" reminds me of STALKER in the context of post-apocalypsese open worlds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 3 minutes ago, BigBossBalrog said: And I think your being spoiled alot by Mods Colonel If anything the fact that I had to download mods for guns, all 3 of them lol, makes me painfully more aware than you of how bad fallout 4's guns are. Ive been doing a lot of research on them lately as well wondering how they even came to be and why. And after all that research I went to Starfield and yea, they're much worse than what Fallout presented lol. The overall looks might be "cooler" but once you see them shoot I was like... wtf are these xD Fortnite has better guns, they're that bad. Quote "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted June 12 Author Share Posted June 12 10 minutes ago, BigBossBalrog said: And I think your being spoiled alot by Mods Colonel; because the guns in vanilla Fallout 4 are pretty...weird looking. It'd probably be the lowest tier of "gun-porn", if it's considered that at all. He knows. His original point was that the game needed better guns. His later point is that Starfield is apparently even worse. Which is baffling if true, but shotguns firing rifle rounds sounds like a good start. 1 Quote * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Also I dont have anything against the laser musket, except that it needs ammo at all when all you do is crank it up. Quote "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossBalrog Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 4 minutes ago, ColonelKillaBee said: If anything the fact that I had to download mods for guns, all 3 of them lol, makes me painfully more aware than you of how bad fallout 4's guns are. Ive been doing a lot of research on them lately as well wondering how they even came to be and why. And after all that research I went to Starfield and yea, they're much worse than what Fallout presented lol. The overall looks might be "cooler" but once you see them shoot I was like... wtf are these xD Fortnite has better guns, they're that bad. Okay I'll take your word: so Fallout 4 is bottom of the barrel, and Starfield is below the barrel. Good job Todd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted June 12 Author Share Posted June 12 6 minutes ago, BigBossBalrog said: The problem is, if you ask most Fallout fans, "more guns, better factions in a setting that already makes no logical sense" (Bethesda Fallout) doesn't seem to be a huge priority. I’d argue that "better factions" is a huge priority. If you can nail something that big, then it will affect loads of other things as well. Factions are a big part of the setting, and if you make them make logical sense, then the setting itself will be more sensical as well. Quote * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Just now, BigBossBalrog said: Okay I'll take your word: so Fallout 4 is bottom of the barrel, and Starfield is below the barrel. Good job Todd You dont gotta take my word for it, but if you want more examples I can give them For instance they have a fat cord on one of their submachine guns for whatever reason that looks so big you'd think it was a coolant system attachment but its actually just an ordinary wire attachment for the ammo count on the gun. Why? Only God Todd knows And thats a tamer example, their other machine gun is based off of a shotgun and lol, again, fires RIFLE rounds xD Its basically a rifle made from the profile of a military shotgun lol. 1 Quote "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted June 12 Author Share Posted June 12 Fallout 4 got super lazy with its combat rifle and combat shotgun as well. 1 Quote * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossBalrog Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 9 minutes ago, The Good Doctor said: I’d argue that "better factions" is a huge priority. If you can nail something that big, then it will affect loads of other things as well. Factions are a big part of the setting, and if you make them make logical sense, then the setting itself will be more sensical as well. I know they're very connected, but my point was that if a world sucks, then it dosen't matter much if the factions are slightly better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 14 minutes ago, BigBossBalrog said: I know they're very connected, but my point was that if a world sucks, then it dosen't matter much if the factions are slightly better The factions are what make the world xD Quote "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted June 12 Author Share Posted June 12 15 minutes ago, BigBossBalrog said: I know there very connected, but my point was that if a world sucks, then it dosen't matter much if the factions are slightly better Maybe not if they’re only "slightly better". They’d need more than that. But if Emil could sacrifice enough goats and babies to conjure from Hell a faction that’s even half as well-written as the NCR or Caesar’s Legion, it would go a long way towards winning people over even if other aspects of the worldbuilding suck. Look at the BoS in Fallout 4. They carry that game hard. Same with the civil war factions in Skyrim. Problem with Starfield is that even well-written factions wouldn’t be enough to make the setting itself interesting to an audience that just isn’t here for it. Quote * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Honestly all bethesda needed to do was add more quests for the minutemen and more characters, and that right there wouldve improved the game immensely. Maybe make a quest that puts them in conflict with the Gunners, and you can choose which direction the minutemen take, a more mercenary take or vigilante, but in the end the minutemen absorb the gunners or are absorbed by the gunners. That small fix, and better guns, the game would be much better already. Just under fallout 3. Make it a dlc if you like, and get rid of that dumb ass vault 88 dlc lol And also make nuka world a viable ending for the commonwealth Quote "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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