Celan Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 Well, I have one other bone to pick with Jackson, and that's that he replaced Glorfindel with Arwen in the scene where a badass elf has to save Frodo. I get why he did it, but I still resent it. "If you know me you know I don't keep up with the times. I just go with the flow." - Woody Copeland, life coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted December 26, 2022 Author Share Posted December 26, 2022 9 minutes ago, Celan said: Well, I have one other bone to pick with Jackson, and that's that he replaced Glorfindel with Arwen in the scene where a badass elf has to save Frodo. I get why he did it, but I still resent it. That’s fair. I don’t think Arwen doing it is much worse, per se, or drags the movie down for me. But I get the pain of having a favorite character cut out so their scenes can be given to someone else. GoT did that a lot. I’ll never forgive Arya cooking and serving up the Freys while Lord Manderly hides in his castle like the fat coward he’s not supposed to be. 2 * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossBalrog Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 16 minutes ago, Celan said: Well, I have one other bone to pick with Jackson, and that's that he replaced Glorfindel with Arwen in the scene where a badass elf has to save Frodo. I get why he did it, but I still resent it. Arwen was just a literal trophy for Aragon to earn in the books, so I can 100 percent see why they gave her a more important role in the movies It's a shame they got rid of Glorfindel though. He was really cool in the Battle for Middle Earth 2 (whose art direction was made by Weta Workshop, the same people who did it for the movies) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted December 26, 2022 Author Share Posted December 26, 2022 Just now, BigBossBalrog said: Arwen was just a literal trophy for Aragon to earn in the books, so I can 100 percent see why they gave her a more important role in the movies That is a very uncharitable reading of their relationship. 1 minute ago, BigBossBalrog said: It's a shame they got rid of Glorfindel though. He was really cool in the Battle for Middle Earth 2 (whose art direction was made by Weta Workshop, the same people who did it for the movies) He was really cool in that. * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossBalrog Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 1 minute ago, The Good Doctor said: That is a very uncharitable reading of their relationship. He was really cool in that. No from a writing technique standpoint I should have used "video game achievement". Not to insult the relationship itself, but if I remember Elrond forbade Aragon from marrying her till he became King. Her role was to give some exposition to Frodo, and then be a reward of Aragon's victory against Sauron. It's why i've always much preferred Eowyn 3 minutes ago, The Good Doctor said: He was really cool in that. And OP, I remember him and Gloin carving shit up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted December 26, 2022 Author Share Posted December 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, BigBossBalrog said: No from a writing technique standpoint I should have used "video game achievement". Not to insult the relationship itself, but if I remember Elrond forbade Aragon from marrying her till he became King. Her role was to give some exposition to Frodo, and then be a reward of Aragon's victory against Sauron. It's why i've always much preferred Eowyn That’s still uncharitable to Arwen. Not everyone has to be a main character or an adventurous warrior, and she represented more than a reward for Aragorn’s victory. Her giving up her immortality for love is one of the most significant personal sacrifices that any character makes in the whole story. 1 * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossBalrog Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 43 minutes ago, The Good Doctor said: That’s still uncharitable to Arwen. Not everyone has to be a main character or an adventurous warrior, and she represented more than a reward for Aragorn’s victory. Her giving up her immortality for love is one of the most significant personal sacrifices that any character makes in the whole story. I don't dislike Arwen because she isn't a fighter I do because I think she's one of Tolkien's weakest characters. She's barely in the novels at all to the point where you barely see that love. A perfect "non-fighter" is Mina Harker in Dracula. She's in the same boat as the stakes for the heroes to fight Dracula against but unlike Arwen she's heavily involved in the plot, you get to see her relationship with the other characters, she uses her skills in a non-combat role to help her friends without actually fighting, and she has her own a POV and motives beyond being a satellite love interest Peter Jackson gave Arwen a much better role in my opinion enough that I felt her relationship with Aragon was earned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted December 26, 2022 Author Share Posted December 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, BigBossBalrog said: A perfect "non-fighter" is Mina Harker in Dracula. Right, one of the main characters. Arwen is a side character in a cast of many dozens if not hundreds. That’s not a remotely reasonable comparison. * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossBalrog Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, The Good Doctor said: Right, one of the main characters. Arwen is a side character in a cast of many dozens if not hundreds. That’s not a remotely reasonable comparison. All I'm just saying is Tolkien could have done more showing instead of telling with her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted December 26, 2022 Author Share Posted December 26, 2022 30 minutes ago, BigBossBalrog said: All I'm just saying is Tolkien could have done more showing instead of telling with her Sure. He could’ve done more of literally anything with any character. But what he did show and tell us of Arwen paints her as more than just a prize or devise to motivate Aragorn. And "show don’t tell" might be one of the most damaging sentences for literary analysis ever spoken. There is a ton of value in both. * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celan Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 6 hours ago, BigBossBalrog said: All I'm just saying is Tolkien could have done more showing instead of telling with her All in all, she is a minor character in terms of any direct involvement in the story. Elves in general don't figure highly in LOTR- which is as it should be, since they're fading and mostly hidden. If someone had filmed the Silmarillion properly, different story, though even there he has a way of dropping these really juicy story and character bits completely undeveloped, while spending pages and pages going on about Beren and Luthien. 2 "If you know me you know I don't keep up with the times. I just go with the flow." - Woody Copeland, life coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossBalrog Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 So yeah, Blood Origins reminds me of an early 2000's bad teenage fantasy series with Felecia Day in it It's fucking horrible. I watched ten minutes of it, and noped the fuck right out. It's such a huge shame a great actress like Michelle Yeoh (who was the star in Everything Everywhere All at Once) whom I really like involved herself with it. It even worst then Rings of Power The fact Andrzej Sapkowski is willing to publicly shame CD for "butchering" his universe, but not Netlix whose defiled it proves my impressions of him being a greedy idiot. I think 2022 will go down as the year George R. R fucking Martin proved his mastery of the fantasty genre with House of Dragon and Elden Ring, and everyone else failed beyond miserably 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Good Doctor Posted December 27, 2022 Author Share Posted December 27, 2022 11 hours ago, BigBossBalrog said: The fact Andrzej Sapkowski is willing to publicly shame CD for "butchering" his universe, but not Netlix whose defiled it proves my impressions of him being a greedy idiot. He said most of that stuff about CRPR right around the time his son was dying and he was in a really bad place. I’d cut him some slack, personally. They also are currently releasing episodes for a sequel show to Willow, which was apparently awful as well. And they did Wheel of Time earlier this year. I don’t know why everyone and their mother decided that 2022 was the year to dig up every beloved fantasy series at the same time and make a cheap-ass TV series about it, but it seems like they all really suck at it. HBO is the only one who’s ever pulled this off. I just hope they stick the landing with HotD because season 1 was excellent. * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossBalrog Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 Yes because the super tolerant guy whose kind to those discriminated against because of his own experiences is now racist They really hate Geralt (in a show without Geralt) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted December 27, 2022 Author Share Posted December 27, 2022 1 minute ago, BigBossBalrog said: They really hate Geralt After all the shit that got leaked about production, and then the false allegations made and then retracted by a bitter coworker, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this is because they hate Henry Cavil. * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossBalrog Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 I think the coincidence of a supreme fantasy game like ER coming out the same time as all these shitty books, movies, and most numerous, television series is actually not a coincidence Fantasy "tv" series Fantasy video game (Elden Ring Spoiler) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted December 27, 2022 Author Share Posted December 27, 2022 @TheCzarsHussar The Restless is done resting. And a really cool sunbird design. * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celan Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 5 hours ago, BigBossBalrog said: Yes because the super tolerant guy whose kind to those discriminated against because of his own experiences is now racist They really hate Geralt (in a show without Geralt) Not to mention the fact that Yennefer is part elf. The writers are just bad, that's all there is to it. Streaming services are absolutely afflicted with terrible writing. 1 "If you know me you know I don't keep up with the times. I just go with the flow." - Woody Copeland, life coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossBalrog Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, Celan said: Not to mention the fact that Yennefer is part elf. The writers are just bad, that's all there is to it. Streaming services are absolutely afflicted with terrible writing. I'd argue also the, costumes, CGI and the production quality are also horrible, but yeah, people can excuse those aspects, but the writing should at least be tolerable Netflix is relying on it's foreign content and it's few skilled creators like Mike Flanagan, while overwhelming it's program list with cheap but marketable stuff that'll appeals to normie's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossBalrog Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 Most of them time it's honestly mediocre drivel, but occasionally you get real stinkers like Cuties, which make you question how they got made at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted December 27, 2022 Author Share Posted December 27, 2022 10 minutes ago, BigBossBalrog said: it's few skilled creators like Mike Flanagan Apparently he recently ditched them. He even released his entire story plans for the sequel to Midnight Mass to the public because he knows he’ll never be making it now. * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossBalrog Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 1 minute ago, The Good Doctor said: Apparently he recently ditched them. He even released his entire story plans for the sequel to Midnight Mass to the public because he knows he’ll never be making it now. That's fucking bullshit. That was one of the coolest depictions of vampires in modern TV. Fuck Netflix That and Hill House were some of my favorite horror shows ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted December 27, 2022 Author Share Posted December 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, BigBossBalrog said: That and Hill House were some of my favorite horror shows ever. Hill House will be hard to beat. Shame is that he was going to do an adaptation of Fall of the House of Usher. I doubt that happens now. Netflix lost a good one. * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossBalrog Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, The Good Doctor said: Hill House will be hard to beat. Shame is that he was going to do an adaptation of Fall of the House of Usher. I doubt that happens now. Netflix lost a good one. Can't have a series with solid actors, good production, and great writing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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